Miraculous New York: United Heroez Deserved Better

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8 күн мурун

The never-ending love square (?) of Ladybug and Cat Noir, Marinette and Adrian travels to the big apple with the TV special Miraculous New York: United Heroez - and oh boy did this special deserve better. Is it possible this special was snubbed of a proper full movie runtime due to the wait for season 4 episodes? Let's dive in!
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Candace
Candace 12 саат мурун
*The movie needed to be longer, and not in the it was THAT good* Glad I'm not the only one who felt that way. I didn't really know why, but now that you've explained it, it definitely fits with my perception of the ending. I kind of randomly saw what was left during the scene where Adrien and Marinette meet outside in front of everyone, and I was like WHAT THE HECK, only this much left? But what about *everything*?!
Cecelia Pokorski
Cecelia Pokorski 17 саат мурун
But what if lady bug had both, lady noir
Misty-Star luv
Misty-Star luv 21 саат мурун
I don't know if I'm the only one that wanted this but I would have been glad if they did it. Okay imagine, Chat noir literally kills uncanny valley, giving him more guilt after being yelled at by Ladybug. Simple start but let's say ladybug is so angry and shocked by the reveal that uncanny valley is actually Aeon, that she froze. She is unable to do anything based on this shock, she cant even use her lucky charm. She doesn't even remember she is ladybug and can fix this. Her inner Marinette pops out and she's just frozen. Aeon parents yells at them both, wanting the Miraculous and telling them to leave New York to them, the heros. This breaks both ladybug and char noir heart because Chat noir it's just a mistake and ladybug because she never makes mistakes in this form. Chat noir snaps her to reality asking if lucky charm can fix it and then she realizes she is ladybug and can fix it all. After they fix it they run away to the sewers where ladybug begins to cry, and chat feels so bad hearing her cry all the guilt pops in and he gives plagg up." I dont know if this is only me but I would have loved to see ladybug not be all so perfect and look scared and actually cry as ladybug not Marinette. I love the movie but c'mon. I would love to have seen this scene. They make the movie too obvious with the direction it's going.
Dragon empress
Dragon empress 23 саат мурун
It just rubs me wrong that a black girl turns into a robot. Also: black person dies cliché.
Mupp
Mupp 3 саат мурун
Nah, you’re just looking too deep into race roles
Just my self
Just my self Күн мурун
whit all the respect that i have i'm sorry to say to watch your mouth the movie was rusht because the film should last 2 hours but they didn't have the budget so that's why the movie was so rushed at the end before judging it is wrong to inquire
Kally Diaf
Kally Diaf Күн мурун
We're im i going to find themmm
Kally Diaf
Kally Diaf Күн мурун
I can't find the hole videoooo
Davina Jou
Davina Jou Күн мурун
I really liked this summary but can we just... talk about the writing for a bit? Especially around the Adrienette shipping? Was I the only one who felt like it was literally shoved down our throats? Like Nino and Alya had to literally say out loud "Oh they're so good for each other!!!" Jeesh, we REALLY couldn't tell that they weren't mean to end up together, especially with all the blushing. There was literally NO TACT. People keep saying "They're so perfect for each other!!!" But honestly, I can't see it. All I see if Marinette acting awkward and Adrien just nodding along. I actually had to pause the episode MULTIPLE TIMES to keep from screaming. This is probably just me and I'm just ranting here I'm so sorry XD
Mesousa Gaby
Mesousa Gaby Күн мурун
The biggest issue I have in the special is that Marinette and Adrien's relationships with Luca and Kagami were very awkwardly done in this special. See, the season 3 finale clearly has Marinette moving on from crushing on Adrien due to the fact that Kagami clearly is into him. It's aknowledged in the special early, but not once is it commented on afterwards, probably because both those characters are conveniently not on the trip, so it kinda makes Mari be into Adrien again very slapdashed despite, again, the season 3 finale implying that she might move on from that. And yet, it was more awkwardly done with Adrien's side. Sure, we make fun of Mari's shyness around him, but his obliviousness around Mari fidgetting around him is VERY strange. He can't be THAT dumb, right? He outright flirts in his disguise, but doesn't know that Mari clealry has affections for him? We really need to make fun of him more this way.
MikuMiraculous
MikuMiraculous 3 күн мурун
Tbh, the plot was good. I thought it was going to be 1 hour and 30 minutes like a movie and was super excited. Then I saw the run time. Not even joking my heart dropped,, after the trailer I was worried how this would play out.I hoped for the best, but it felt like it was rushed. They should hav gotten 1 hour and 30 minutes. Or left us on a cliffhanger. That would be so much better.
Shaiane O'Hara
Shaiane O'Hara 4 күн мурун
It was really really good!!
Zyden
Zyden 4 күн мурун
Kids shows generally have overly ambitious stories that lack the time needed to allow events to breath. Look at the epic series Trollhunters, then look at the bullet train wreck that was 3 Below, then the SUPER bullet jet wreck that was Wizards. It's the one-movie/one season race, where quick profit turnover is more important than longterm revenue.
Lils Has Skills
Lils Has Skills 4 күн мурун
I have a lot of things I want to talk about but I want to talk about one thing in particular because I had to pause the video because I was so mad. Ladybug had a right to be mad at cat noir but she did not need to verbally diminish him in the middle of battle or anywhere for that matter she treats him badly all the time and has never really taken a sec to apologize or to appreciate chat noir and how he is important to the duo and no the five minutes they were apart in the movie don’t count. Anyways I am use to her constantly speaking to him like he is worthless but I drew a line when she got the luck charm bike pump and said “I have an idea on how to use it but you won’t like it” while slapping it against her fingers this show normalizes abuse and yea she obviously wouldn’t do that I get that and I might be over reacting but this is a show that is seen by kids do we really want to tell kids it is okay to say you want to hurt someone when you are upset. this is a serious issue and it is used in the context of oh it is okay when your partner is bad and then brushed off just like that and It angers me
Lils Has Skills
Lils Has Skills 12 саат мурун
@Sjsjzejeitdzjakkjsksj Dnxhrjrjddj I completely agree that her job takes a lot more focus and is much more complicated than his. But I also think cat noir does take her and what she does seriously he trusts her and her ability to save Paris so much that he risks his life to protect her on multiple different occasions and on other occasions he has mentioned how amazing she is not just in a romantic way but in how strong and smart she is and agrees there is no one better for the role of ladybug. I don’t think he thinks her powers are easy I don’t recall him ever saying that even in the reflektdoll episode but I am open to having my mind change so please let me know if I am missing a moment. Also I don’t think we should hold his flirting to the same extent as ladybug picking a fight with him. His flirting sure is distracting but is also lighthearted overall positive and does not affect ladybug in a emotional way besides annoyance. While the things she said were purposely said to make jabs and hurt chat noir and make him feel bad. Even if chat was in the wrong she should have given him the chance to explain after the fight instead of trying to distract him during battle. I also still don’t think reflectdoll is a good episode for the fact that it under appreciates what cat noir does. Yea he causes problems sometimes and he only has to follow ladybugs guidance. But it takes a lot to be cat noir because he has to be selfless since he has the destruction powers and since he is partners with the one person that can save Paris. Paris’ safety lies in her hands and the safety of her lies in his hands. Like I said numerous times he jumps in the way of danger for ladybug so she remains fine. That takes a level of bravery trust and selflessness that I don’t think ladybug has to face even though she is danger for saving Paris because ladybug so rarely has to truly face the dark side of fighting unlike chat. And yet chat still keeps a smile on his face and enjoying what he does which is shown through his ridiculous puns and flirting. And I am not under minding what she does she gives up a lot for Paris but I think chat does too. I just wish reflectdoll had a even amount of understanding for eachother. I am glad that chat noir got an understanding for how truly difficult it is to be ladybug but I wish ladybug really got an idea of the risks chatnoir takes on the daily for her so overall I think the episode failed. The writers keep thing very one dimensional saying chat noir is bad and ladybug is good but honestly both sides of their dynamic are important in different ways. And as the show goes on it is easier to believe chat noir is incompetent because they always make things his fault but I guess I just have to to be the devil’s advocate. Also I feel we should give chat noir some respect for his flirting. I mean yes it is a serious situation in battles and he should not be distracted/distracting (even though I think he stays focused relatively more than he is given credit for) but his crush is always with him in these battles and he is only a teenager. It is easy to say that ladybug is more responsible and I mean I will admit she is but that is because she does not have the same perspective as chat noir she can keep her head straight because the person she loves is not there. I mean regarding how Marinette is around Adrien it would be safe to say the ladybug would be very distracted if her partner was Adrien. Even in the few episodes she and adrien work together in the battle it is evident she gets easily distracted and even has lapses in judgement (like in desperada) so it is unfair to criticize chat noir and praise lady bug because she falls susceptible to the same things cat noir does but we notice it less because ladybug does not have to deal with the same perspective as cat noir when fighting as she does not know her crush is there.
Sjsjzejeitdzjakkjsksj Dnxhrjrjddj
Sjsjzejeitdzjakkjsksj Dnxhrjrjddj 14 саат мурун
Lils Has Skills ok her job is harder than his. That’s something that can’t be denied. That’s not saying anything about his or her abilities as heroes but she has to make the plan to defeat the akuma she needs to find out where the object is and then use her lucky charm in an extremely complex way but he never understands that. The episode was supposed to be him learning how hard she has it because he would joke around a lot to make it hard for her will anyone ever talk about that nope all they talk about is the times ladybug was annoyed at him for thinking her powers were easy and it’s clear that he didn’t learn how hard it is to use her powers since he still would distract her
Lils Has Skills
Lils Has Skills 15 саат мурун
@Sjsjzejeitdzjakkjsksj Dnxhrjrjddj and I dont think ladybug is a awful person I love the show and in the end can brush off her and chat’s character flaws I really think she is like chat noir where she is a good character written badly
Lils Has Skills
Lils Has Skills 15 саат мурун
@Sjsjzejeitdzjakkjsksj Dnxhrjrjddj No he shouldn’t be mad at her either but the difference is when he is mad at her he is pictured to be the one in the wrong and ends up apologizing but when she is doing something morally wrong she is never held accountable or apologizes. I would be okay with her making mistakes if they held her accountable every time and let her improve but they don’t. And she does speak to him as worthless I mean the whole script of reflektdoll proves that. When he is struggling she calls him”simple” compared to when she was struggling in origins and he was like we will do this together. Anyways I get chat noir messes up a lot but it more in my question on why the writers are so focused on making him the “pathetic hero”. It seems lazy to make one character terrible and the person to blame just to make ladybug seem that much better. Anyways even though you strongly disagree with me it is fine a lot of people think like you in the fan base and it is valid it is what the writers want you to think so you are not wrong. I am just taking this from a critical perspective and even though I by no means could write the show better I still feel the show needs reform.
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Sjsjzejeitdzjakkjsksj Dnxhrjrjddj 19 саат мурун
Also she’s never spoken to him like he’s worthless but you can think that so it’ll make your pathetic loser of a hero chat noir look better
Pinglen
Pinglen 4 күн мурун
This show is basically the PPG, you think only girls watch it so you claim it is lame so you give it a try and now you need to hide the fact you like this show
Emilie Saint-Cyr
Emilie Saint-Cyr 4 күн мурун
I think the movie stories were supposed to be explored more into detail, but the pandemic really threw a wrench in everything, and with season 4 being delayed, they decided on making specials with maybe some slapped together wip that was brushed up and polished? Thats what Im getting from it. I feel like Zag maybe suffered from their unexpected popularity as they grew faster than they could adapt for. Theres clearly been some conflict because of cultural differences in work practices in this very international project.
Wangunno Mathwai
Wangunno Mathwai 4 күн мурун
Who else watches this show in secret
yoon kitty
yoon kitty 4 күн мурун
To be honest, the animators are kinda lazy. Isn't new york suppose to be a very crowded place? Maybe there was some kind of pandemic going on too? I mean it was kinda enjoyable but i feel like they could have done better
TriggerHappyEevee
TriggerHappyEevee 4 күн мурун
my main 2 issues one of which had been a thing someone else on a different video pointed out, anyway my main 2 issues with the special 1. the fact that A neither didn't REALLY have to transform to help out at the museum scene when the building was basically falling apart, like Adrien could've just ran up normally and saved Marinette but no they needed to start SOME kinda emotionally conflict related C plot. how I would've wrote the scene is instead have them NOT transform and just have Adrien save Marinette 2. they completely disregarded the fact that only Ladybug can purify Akumas. How I would've written it is just have Ladybug tell Cat Noir she'd be going to New York and then when Adrien finds out he's going, I'd have CN call LB and tell her he's going to New York too
sakura midnight
sakura midnight 4 күн мурун
We needed alya to help our girl hype her up on moving on marri is still growing . She is as told gonna be the leader of the miraculous super hero group of 🇫🇷 .
Caitlin S
Caitlin S 5 күн мурун
where do you find the special? I’ve been trying to find it but I cant
startruck Animations
startruck Animations 5 күн мурун
Marinette Is a terrible person. She is way too overly obsessed with adrien (cue the bed sniffing scene), and just a huge dick to chat by BLAMING LITERALLY EVERYTHING BAD THAT HAPPENS ON HIM. he could not control that he had to go to new york, and SHE WAS THE FUCKING REASON FOR THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE, BECAUSE SHE WAS THIRSTY AS FUCK. he didnt even try to kill the robot chick at all, the villain swung him at ladybug, and ROBOT GIRL PURPOSEFULLY JUMPED IN THE WAY, TO SAVE LADYBUG. Everyone blames this on poor chat, while a: she fuckin jumped in the way herself, (i'm just mad they didn't kill off ladybug) b: he tried to attack the fucking villain, not her, and c: _his miraculous is literally that of bad luck you dumb idiot._ ladybug also acts as if he cant do anything without her, and makes him do everything SHE says. She constantly puts him down, shames him, insults him, and completely ignores his feelings. And yknow what? Chat SHOULD have left. Not because he is a bad hero, but because ladybug is a selfish and abusive CUNT. Plus, She keeps on toying with him like a yoyo! She does WAY worse things than him but everyone is just okay with it. It's like this: "chat, throw this bomb at the eiffel tower for me." B-but people could die, and it would be-" "what? But i thought we were a team? We are supposed to do everything together and help eachother out! Why are you being such a bad friend?" "I-i..-" _ladybug takes the bomb out of his hands, throws it herself and the tower explodes_ "CHAT! YOU WORTHLESS PILE OF NOTHING WHY DID YOU THROW THAT BOMB?!" Tl;dr: the writers just hate chat.
KaiSatori
KaiSatori 5 күн мурун
Marinette played into chat being off his game! She battered him over leaving paris DURING THE FIGHT. Of course he’s going to be hurt and confused! He’d have to have a reason and was given 0 time to explain why he was there. Worse, she never apologized and no one acknowledged the shared responsibility of the accident. Also, I was really hoping the two presenting as men were bigender/genderfluid/nonbinary (and my dad told me about a well known ‘third-gender’ in indigenous culture in America called two-spirit and I was hoping that could be it too) but I guess a lesbian couple works too since other than that they just have rose and juleka for a split second featured cuddling (which was a adorable btw- best part)
KaiSatori
KaiSatori 18 саат мурун
@Sjsjzejeitdzjakkjsksj Dnxhrjrjddj (sorry I’m realizing how much I’m rambling on while proofreading- i always get super anxious when large paragraphs come up and just so you don’t think I’m like trying to start a battle in the comments I just don’t know how to articulate my thoughts in a short sentence and sincerely I’m sorry I just can’t write well) yes, she’s allowed to have feelings but she’s played as the most responsible one, yet when there was a life-threatening situation she constantly made snide remarks that brought him down and was never acknowledged to have done that. And I didn’t say it was all her fault either, I did say shared responsibility (proofreading- clarifying that looking back chat also did bad, and that’s what I hoped would be acknowledged for both of them). He shouldn’t have hid it from her, at all, that was really stupid and entirely on him, but at least keep the arguing out of a fight with an extremely tough villain, *especially* since they have to get back to Paris very soon, in good shape. I just think the show should have at least made a statement on how like maybe it wasn’t the best-person-ever thing to do in that situation on marinette’s part. But THANK YOU for calling me a chatboy fanbitch that really was great- especially since I literally don’t like his character either. I’m saying since the demographic is kids to young adults acknowledging both made at least some mistake (chat’s was larger initially, he broke that trust, but since the show highlighted how his emotional instability caused a mistake I think they could have highlighted marinette’s too,, even though her’s was momentary and his was an ongoing bad thing) during that could have been good for the show. Maybe make the drama more intriguing, so we don’t just feel like we’re being forced to enjoy the scenes where something goes wrong through chain of events. You’re right that I came off very strong though, it wasn’t right of me to overlook chat’s bad things and put most of my energy into disliking marinette’s actions. Not that she was justified, but definitely neither was chat leading up to that event.
Sjsjzejeitdzjakkjsksj Dnxhrjrjddj
Sjsjzejeitdzjakkjsksj Dnxhrjrjddj 19 саат мурун
Oh cool another chat noir fanbitch that blames ladybug for everyone when he’s literally the one that fucked up. He didn’t tell her he was leaving he’s the one that called his cataclysm when it wasn’t needed he lied to her he did everything wrong but she’s the devil for having feelings
real ev Vaughan
real ev Vaughan 5 күн мурун
Yeah I really think this should have been a two-part special both an hour apiece but that is a lot of animation that's four episodes of Marinette
Obi-Wan Kenobi
Obi-Wan Kenobi 5 күн мурун
I think huge problem with this special was its canon breaking implications. This was the first time we ever saw superheroes outside the Paris Miraculous users and it was really glossed over. And this made all the new characters suffer. Like why do the Batman and Robin inspired heroes pretend to be boys? That doesn't make sense! And the addition at the very end of a whole bunch of new Kwamii and another guardian was absurd. The Kwamii and their city are lost, that's a major plot point in the show and it makes no sense for them to show up and meet the New York randoms when Cat Noir and Ladybug need their help way more. Also, they made some of the character act out of character. Marionette is more of a spaz then ever and they took some of her clumsiness and gave it to Adrian who has never been clumsy. The entire thing just feels really weird, like it had a separate groups of writers who just wanted to create a new super hero show set in New York. It feels so disconnected from the larger story and characters acting out of characters don't help. And I ended up dislike the special in contrast to like the rest of the show.
Micahtiel
Micahtiel 2 күн мурун
Lol, first of all, you watch Miraculous?? That's awesome!!! And I totally respect your opinion, but I'm just having a hard time understanding your points. Okay, I agree that we didn't get enough of the NY heroes like Majestia and Knightowl. But I was fine with that since we got Jess/Sparrow and Aeon/Uncanny Valley instead, and they were not only more fun, but more in line with the tone of this show we all love! Speaking of being in line with the tone, Marinette was even more enjoyable for me in this special. Seeing her do the very understandable thing of denying her feelings was interesting and I'm glad that it backlashed. She was clumsy, of course, but that's just Marinette! Adrien was just mixed up with her and her antics, and besides, why should clumsiness be a bad thing? I'm sorry you disliked it, but I just can't understand why. The balance between a classic superhero flick partnered with Miraculous' teen drama side really worked! And the ending scene with the guardian, albeit kinda fast, touched on something that was already heavy foreshadowed in the show: New Miraculouses and their guardians. Oh and also, Knightowl and Sparrow pretend to be boys to trick people into thinking that they do have superpowers and are immortal, which I really hope they explore more at some point.
Kabsage IGJ
Kabsage IGJ 3 күн мурун
@Obi-Wan Kenobi Okay. I didn't think about that one because we didn't actually see what happened and in the scene Marinette was the one who kept ramming into the door. I think it was pretty clearly Marinette being the clumsy one and Adrien got caught up in her problem with the door, at least that's how I took it. I really don't see that as proof that they made him uncharacteristically clumsy.
Obi-Wan Kenobi
Obi-Wan Kenobi 3 күн мурун
@Kabsage IGJ How about when he literally fell on Marinette by the sliding door and and Aliya and Nino said they were both hopeless? That was a pretty clear moment of uncharacteristic clumsiness.
John Gonzalez
John Gonzalez 5 күн мурун
And why is the president a super hero? Shouldn't that be some national security risk? Lol
Kabsage IGJ
Kabsage IGJ 5 күн мурун
Marinette is more of a spaz? How? I thought she was toned down in this one and I have no clue what you mean about Adrien being clumsy. Is it the plane scene where he trys to help her with the AC but then she pulls away and pushes a button and he falls on her chair? This is all Marinette's doing. Adrien never slams into the sliding door like Marinette does, and he constantly catches her. I seriously can't think of one moment Adrien was clumsy.
siobahn
siobahn 5 күн мурун
i only watched it two times so correct me if im wrong but it was never explained what fully happened in paris after the attack. i remember like the clean up scene but i really wanted to see more detail on the damage, what the officials think, what the citizens think. how would the duo explain why they were in new york?
saiyan 4414
saiyan 4414 5 күн мурун
also Ladybug saw Catnwar renounce Plag so she knew who he was at that point right?
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Sjsjzejeitdzjakkjsksj Dnxhrjrjddj 19 саат мурун
She didn’t see him do it she just heard him do it but she never saw his face
saiyan 4414
saiyan 4414 5 күн мурун
I think we should’ve had the other Miraculous holders from Paris be used. also there are definitely should have been more to the story it may be like another hour.
SoulGalaxyWolf
SoulGalaxyWolf 5 күн мурун
I hated that the kids kept saying that Marienette and Adrien are meant to be together. That felt so shoehorned in that it annoyed me. I just wanted all those things to happen naturally with the kids tasked with looking over Marienette's class. Its possible. Maybe just, "Hey, what's up with them?" To Alya, or even yet, "Are you two together?" That would've been awesome.
SpiritusC
SpiritusC 3 күн мурун
Honestly I feel bad for Kagami especially after this. At first when I saw that they were dating I was worried about what Marienette's friends would do because most of their attempts to get the two together resulted in someone getting akumatized. Yet having them go and scheme behind Marinette's back to get Adrien to cheat on Kagami, when Marienette is actually trying to grow as a person and respect what's going on. Which could lead into some great character development and in time things could change leading towards a more natural relationship. Yet with everything her friends did this episode did this episode, makes me worried about what her rivals would do.
SpiritusC
SpiritusC 3 күн мурун
@John Gonzalez top that off they had a ladybug which apparently represented their love destiny in dark cupid, and they had ice cream made by a man who apparently can see a person's soul mate. Which said these two are meant to be together.
John Gonzalez
John Gonzalez 5 күн мурун
Ugh i know. Every second that cyvorg chick was like "they're made for each other! Look, they were meant to be together!" Yeah, we get it! Fu already said something along those lines back in season 1! We dont need this random who's only relevant for this special to beat us over the head with it
A H
A H 5 күн мурун
This was Marinette/Lady Bug 's fault for getting angry in the middle of the fight that caused so many problems and caused Cat Noir to give up being a hero temporary.
Spinjitzu Master Falcon
Spinjitzu Master Falcon 5 күн мурун
Oh the voices were intentionally deeper? I just thought it's always been that way since I've been watching on youtube.
Demon angel King
Demon angel King 5 күн мурун
I kinda wished chat noir would turn into chat blanc when he thought he was full of sadness.
Movie Hermit
Movie Hermit 5 күн мурун
I think one of the biggest problems was the focus (once again) being entirely on Marinette.The title says _Heroez United_ but we barely get any other heroes uniting. They spent so much time on Marinette denying her feelings and being clumsy around Adrien (for the umpteenth time), that we barely get any of Adrien and his self doubts as well as Gabriel and his mission. As well as the American heroes and the _miraculous box_ there being glossed over entirely in favour of Marinette acting the exact same as the rest of the show (just this time she's clumsy because she's denying her feelings). The show and this special have so many interesting concepts that never get fleshed out. So much that it's better to just read the fanfictions that do the show writers job for them. They have the opportunity to develop an overarching story that delves into the Agreste family, relationship dynamics, miraculous users, family conflicts, character development, etc all being isolated within a single episode that is focused entirely on Marinette, which hinders the stories that can be told on top of the _monster of the week_ format the writers stick to. They've honestly written themselves into a corner. They're so focused on one side of the love story, that the superhero aspects (as well as the other characters in general) are underdeveloped. But the isolated superhero format causes the love story to be clunky and underdeveloped because they refuse to properly blend the two aspects together without doing the same cliché stories that they always do
Movie Hermit
Movie Hermit 19 саат мурун
@Sjsjzejeitdzjakkjsksj Dnxhrjrjddj Another reason that the development was poor on both ends. Adrien is made to be this great guy with no baggage outside of being cooped up by Gabriel his whole life, but it barely goes further. Chat Noir is written to be more of an obstacle for Ladybug than an actual partner with the flirting mid-battle as well as her always being the one to decide what he need to cataclysm. Then Marinette is a complete stalker who's mapped out Adriens entire schedule, broke into his room and sniffing his pillow to take in _"AdRiENs sCEnT",_ as well as becoming jealous towards every girl who gets close to Adrien even though she has never actually made a successful move on him herself. And then Ladybug is written as this perfect hero who always has a plan who's the greatest person ever. Any mistakes she makes are instantly forgiven (unlike Chat Noir) and has become the main hero while Chat Noir has become the annoying sidekick (and Thomas Astruc defends this by claiming that they're partners, regardless of the writing and stories)
Sjsjzejeitdzjakkjsksj Dnxhrjrjddj
Sjsjzejeitdzjakkjsksj Dnxhrjrjddj 19 саат мурун
Movie Hermit they’ve made him a sexual harasser with the amount of times he’s flirted with her or tried kissing her without her consent. And her life isn’t poorly developed. She got a much more interesting life than he could ever have but because she doesn’t like chat noir a harasser everyone hates her
Movie Hermit
Movie Hermit 19 саат мурун
@Sjsjzejeitdzjakkjsksj Dnxhrjrjddj The reason Adriens life is boring is because it’s never adapted, even though he’s supposed to be partners with Ladybug and share importance. Marinettes life is just as poorly developed, the different dis the entire focus is on her. If it was the other way around the same problems would show up. They’ve also made Marinette very creepy and obsessed with her crush on Adrien. And with the episodic format, nothing really changes or has an impact outside of the finales.
Sjsjzejeitdzjakkjsksj Dnxhrjrjddj
Sjsjzejeitdzjakkjsksj Dnxhrjrjddj 19 саат мурун
Classic miraculous fan you want Adrien agreste’s boring life to be shown more and Marinette is the one that makes everything worse
Jon Brewer
Jon Brewer 5 күн мурун
Okay, as the resident superhero expert, I have to say, it is weird that some American heroes were still rocking the red, white, and blue. That was more a World War II thing. DC continued it for resistance fighters on Earth-X, where the Nazis won. Then Crisis on Infinite Earths happened, and Earth-X was one of five worlds rolled into one. Even before that, this was actually parodied. (Misunderstood by Boomers, of course.) Like there were some (not really villains, just dumb) called the Force of July who thought Batman was the bad guy because fhe left-wing media praised him. So even in the 80s, there was more parody than playing it straight. Even ones like Captain America have renounced America before. (That was in the middle of Watergate, so a war over nonexistent bullshit and the president is covering up crimes? This was also the Bronze Age, high art, including political issues. Jack Kirby couldn't resist creating Glorious Godfrey, for instance.) Is Jessica's shirt an Oglala flag? I mean miscolored (It should be white on red.) but still...Should I be flattered? I thought New York would have something more purple. Oh, while we're here, Red X will be canon in the DCU next year. Took him over a decade, fools still think he's Jason Todd, more foolish fools think he's Grant Wilson. He's joining for their Future State event.
scifiguy9000
scifiguy9000 2 күн мурун
I think the new Red X might be Damien considering he quit being Robin.
MrShizzMan
MrShizzMan 5 күн мурун
COVID ruined this movie
Captain Skidz
Captain Skidz 5 күн мурун
It was flipping amazing
Hi Oof
Hi Oof 5 күн мурун
The voices of ladybug/Marinette and nino are pretty different so idk but that’s just me and some of the other characters to xd
Debbie Pierre
Debbie Pierre 2 күн мурун
Nino got a new VA
Alex Raine
Alex Raine 6 күн мурун
Hey I didn’t really know who to ask but ...HOW THE HECK DID ANY OF YOU GUYS FIND A WAY TO WATCH THE SPECIAL??????😀
Damian Jean-Paul
Damian Jean-Paul 6 күн мурун
I hated the final scene because it destroyed a piece of lore from the show. We heard from Master Fu that the other miracle boxes were destroyed on accident by Master Fu while he was training to become a full master, and then we see the final scene and see that miracle box. The American heroes don't get their powers from a miraculous, but that doesn't mean there isn't an American miracle box but I feel like that would've been a point that the show touched on at some point.
Micahtiel
Micahtiel 2 күн мурун
Um, in the episode Feast they explained this lol.
Neha Iyer
Neha Iyer 6 күн мурун
I expected like actual character development from Adrien and Marinette...and nothing
Bia Atriz
Bia Atriz 6 күн мурун
Aeon: They are made for each other Me: girl, you JUST MET THEM, how do you know that?WHY? Adrienette is so forcing 😂😂😂
Shohana & Sadia Uddin
Shohana & Sadia Uddin 6 күн мурун
When your the only comment you see that is small and not a theory .... Ashamed 101
Multibug
Multibug 6 күн мурун
YOU KNOW IT TOO
crimson scarlett
crimson scarlett 6 күн мурун
....I'm going to say that although it may look like it, a lot, Marinette and Adrien still don't know each other's identity while mostly everyone else does. Right? Also, why can't they just get together already!!??? You're tourturing us.
CN SAYIN!!!
CN SAYIN!!! 6 күн мурун
I think the deep voices would've been somewhat necessary for Marienette and Adrien as Ladybug and Cat Noir. I will say that I actually like Nino's new voice, I think it just suits him more than the other one.
Elder Rodriguez
Elder Rodriguez 6 күн мурун
Honestly I just couldn't like it I thought you was just a long episode that gave a nudist is the worst
Red reaper
Red reaper 6 күн мурун
you expect a show that didn't care about plot and story to suddenly care?
Dylan Vaskevicius
Dylan Vaskevicius 6 күн мурун
It was good, but there was definitely some untapped potential there for sure. I hope we see some more of the new characters in the future...
Jonathan Fuentes
Jonathan Fuentes 6 күн мурун
fun fact, the american super heroes actually premiered in the miraculous comic with somewhat similar personalities to what appeared in the special.
Solo Cheshcat31
Solo Cheshcat31 6 күн мурун
I was kinda hoping for a Ladybug and Chat Noir vs Nightowl.
Ki Entertainer
Ki Entertainer 6 күн мурун
I loved the episode but I hated Megestya, Here and night owl being in a relationship seemed forced (Like Superman and Wonder Woman’s relationship) And the fact that she’s all powerful and made uncanny kind of makes me think she is a boring marry su
Wave Sparks
Wave Sparks 6 күн мурун
I think I found something in the diary episode of the owl house 13:38 there was a book called the necronomicon
Eljay CrazyCat
Eljay CrazyCat 6 күн мурун
Do I wanna watch the movie before watching this episode? Kinda. Am I? "Looks at my phone screen and then at the time" Nope
Natalia Hassan
Natalia Hassan 6 күн мурун
"You watch it and you think 'this is so dumb' but then you realize you're 8 episodes in and you're not going to stop" That is the most accurate description of what its like to be a MLB fan I have ever heard.
Eatinggamer 39
Eatinggamer 39 6 күн мурун
I loved it
Matthew Anderson
Matthew Anderson 6 күн мурун
Well i though I would never see this because that special came out so long ago and the last video about this show was 6 months ago
Zero
Zero 5 күн мурун
the special came out like last month...
Aidan Thomey
Aidan Thomey 6 күн мурун
Is nobody going to mention the parallels between Batman and Knight Owl?
Kylee Ollivierre
Kylee Ollivierre 7 күн мурун
I agree with everything that was said here. What theu gave us was overall alright but if they had more time,they could've given us an even better one. Plus,the two new girl heros that they showed us really intrigued me and I want to know more about them. Honestly though I have got to to watch Season 3 & 4 of Miraculous. Dam Bell took the family channel from me so I need to catch up big time
Rakanarshi2
Rakanarshi2 7 күн мурун
I get the impression that a lot of these characters will come back later on in the show or have a spin off series. Also we saw a villain with super powers that wasn't an Akuma. I thought that opened up a lot of possibility for the main show. Yes we saw heros that didn't have kwamis (pardon spelling). But I want to see them fight an empowered bad guy who then can still fight back after the "get out of jail free card" was used and cause more problems cause the two main heros would have to recharge. Could have touched on some more, Also. They probably "over did" the Native American thing with sparrow because...international audience? Not everyone is going to know she was native American. And why not talk about that other guardian at the end? Honestly, I think they made a way to lengthen their series.
probably a paradox
probably a paradox 7 күн мурун
this is kinda a personal thing, but I adored sparrows original outfit. the eagle outfit was nice, but it had the same style as ladybug and cat noir, and I agree, it was over exaggerated with the first nations themes in her costume. but sparrow outfit seemed practical and would be good for literally any superhero purpose. I also appreciate how we had a bunch of female superheroes, but to be honest, it felt like too much. it’s like that scene in endgame where all the female superheroes get together. yeah it’s cool, it’s also a bit weird and I like these things better when they lean towards equality amongst hero teams since they’re supposed to role models, and people everyone can look up to, not just some little girls. one thing I did like is that they actually didn’t do too much stereotyping, and they definitely steered clear from first nations culture, which I think was a good decision rather than jumping into false stereotypes
Pedro Bustos
Pedro Bustos 7 күн мурун
Thank you because that was sort and there were things that didn't make sense
Topaz_no_life
Topaz_no_life 7 күн мурун
i have been waiting for people to talk about this 😌😔
ELECTRO INVENTION
ELECTRO INVENTION 7 күн мурун
Want. More plz upload new but mari adre videos also i mean..
Meriem Brasse
Meriem Brasse 7 күн мурун
I love more eps of miraculous I didnt know they had a movie
Tim Dinh
Tim Dinh 7 күн мурун
Please continue Steven Universe Rewritten
It's MuhaMMaD
It's MuhaMMaD 7 күн мурун
I actually liked the discount BATMAN and the discount SUPERMAN (SUPERWOMAN), it's a shame they didn't had enough screen time tho.
Emese Molnar-Kovacs
Emese Molnar-Kovacs 7 күн мурун
Also i can't get over this detail. Door Man is an already existing character in marvel comics. They not only copied his name but also his power. This goes beyond inspiration and might be straight up plagiarism. And out of all marvel characters you could plagiarize....WHY DOOR MAN?!?!
Emese Molnar-Kovacs
Emese Molnar-Kovacs 5 күн мурун
@Shadowie the Fangirl But even than. Why did they chose top 10 weakest super powers man?
Zero
Zero 5 күн мурун
this show is on disney and they own marvel so it could just be easter egg. a hint that some marvel characters exist in this world. like john steward and ben 10 it's been hinted that the green lantern is out there in the world of ben 10.
Shadowie the Fangirl
Shadowie the Fangirl 5 күн мурун
Because He isn't that Well known. If they would take a very well known Marvel Comic Character the Fans would Attack like idk Iron Man but him. He isn't that very well known so a perfect fit.
Insanity 64
Insanity 64 7 күн мурун
Kipo
SkyWorld AVEN
SkyWorld AVEN 7 күн мурун
Tbh, I originally thought that Jessica was non-binary/gender fluid. That as a superhero known as male, she (or they) could explore that side of her/themself. Also, I used to be obsessed with this show, but honestly got tired when nothing really changes with the status quo. It’s very static and there doesn’t seem to be anything that has a long term effect. Mostly in regards to the main characters relationship. Just when you think it’s evolving, it goes back to square one in three seasons and a special. This show genuinely has great potential and it’d be nice to see that explored more.
Aaliyah Goodman
Aaliyah Goodman 7 күн мурун
I feel like this whole thing was just a missed opportunity and always a sly way of them trying to get a spin off series with the other super hero’s. A lot of fan are happy cause of the clear shipping (which like...same! I’m shameless!) but they also got to present new hero’s and could potentially do a spin off show it if enough people want it (which I think there could be. I’d watch it) it was basically a mix of fan service but also them doing a big ad to Disney going “HEY! We have new characters! We wanna develop them soooo like...wanna give us a new show?”
Risotto Pose
Risotto Pose 7 күн мурун
Finally someone who agrees with my opinions on this Special
Small-Time Gamer
Small-Time Gamer 7 күн мурун
This whole video describes the show itself, not just this special. Take a good look at this episode, guys, cause it`s not getting any better.
Kaitlyn BowmanCarroll
Kaitlyn BowmanCarroll 7 күн мурун
The special was supposedly 3 hours long and they had to cut it down over time. So it’s not surprising it feels like some things could have been elaborated on.🤷‍♀️
Bryce193 Melton
Bryce193 Melton 7 күн мурун
The special is well done
miraculous E
miraculous E 7 күн мурун
I think Jess will become a Guardian of the new Miracle Box in america
miraculous E
miraculous E 7 күн мурун
The reason knightowl and Majestia are less in show is because the 4 main charecters and heroes in the movie were Ladybug, Cat Noir, Eagle/Sparrow, and uncanny valley so the 4 kids need to shine
miraculous E
miraculous E 7 күн мурун
I think Barb and Jessica had to pretend to be boys because of culture in old times women don't fight and they respect it so they pretend to be something they're not hiding under the mask that's why knighowl and Sparrow had a hood or mask over their face and they wanted yo pretend that knightowl and Sparrow were immortal or something to stay alive for that long
Twyla Proctor
Twyla Proctor 7 күн мурун
It seemed like it started off really well and then like half way or a bit after half way had some like missing parts and was rushed which I think may have been due to covid but I think it would of been an amazing movie if it was lengthened etc
Spritemon 98
Spritemon 98 7 күн мурун
I hated their parents when they showed up
Spritemon 98
Spritemon 98 7 күн мурун
Also what the absolute hell was cat noirs flying transformation? When did he get it? Also when did they get an akuma alert app?
Kabsage IGJ
Kabsage IGJ 5 күн мурун
Akuma alert has been shown before, not specifically an app but that's no stretch. The flight is one of the super power potions first introduced in Syren.
United states of America
United states of America 7 күн мурун
loooooooool
Andrea Montaña
Andrea Montaña 7 күн мурун
Marinette simps- I mean speaks 😂
Yu'Zareia Belser
Yu'Zareia Belser 7 күн мурун
I might give this a try...my 4 year old niece loves this show and I'll catch glimpses of it
Milley Maguire
Milley Maguire 7 күн мурун
My best friend is native and cried when I told her about Jess. (My best friend is also named Jess. 😂) and the new miraculous box that seems to be based on that culture. But her and her daughter will definitely be watching this special now. I'm glad that she feels seen, a little more, now and hopefully her daughter will too. Odd that it came from a french show and not an american one. I think that says a lot. But I hope Jess gets her own show too. She's a bad ass. I want more of her.
Autistic Love
Autistic Love 7 күн мурун
Did anyone notice that in the miraculous box that held the eagle one had another missing one
Susan Kelly
Susan Kelly 7 күн мурун
I personally didn’t like the New York Special, I feel like all the old adrienette shenanigans are getting too forced, and spending so much time on shipping left very little time for the plot to properly develop.
MAdaFaKA BOI
MAdaFaKA BOI 7 күн мурун
:
Douglas Russell
Douglas Russell 7 күн мурун
This special was so not enjoyable I'm not trying to hate on anybody like the special but it was just not that great they could have done better the US Heroes were horrible the plot was kind of stupid but the animation was on point I'll give him that but the setup for this could have been better
Tiff Durbin
Tiff Durbin 7 күн мурун
The way I would’ve had it: Cat Noir relinquishes his miraculous. Emotional moment, blah blah, he runs off feeling unfit to serve. The conflict is resolved without him, or maybe even him helping as Adrian, but even after all is good and fine he doesn’t go back to his life as a hero. And then we get the next season. And we have to deal with that. And ladybug has to find a new miraculous holder. This would show Ladybug how essential her particular Cat Noir is. I can imagine her taking her time to make a decision, all whilst fighting Paris’ monsters on her own, or with her friends. Dodging media as they question who Cat Noir is. Adrien is trapped, becomes a more bitter, quiet person, and while all of this is going on Marinette tries to reach out to him. No longer enthralled with ladybug, Adrien grows to like Marinette and they cut out all of that awkward tension and become very good friends. Towards the end of the season, chaos strikes again, and Marinette desperately needs a Chat Noir. She finally decides to ask Adrien to join her as Chat Noir. His loyalty pushes him to put on the ring, revealing his identity, and sealing their fate as a duo.
Spritemon 98
Spritemon 98 3 күн мурун
@MikuMiraculous ?
MikuMiraculous
MikuMiraculous 3 күн мурун
Better writing than the professional writers. SAY IT LOUDER FOR THOMAS!!!
Elaine
Elaine 4 күн мурун
BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THAT IS SUCH A GOOD IDEA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Spritemon 98
Spritemon 98 6 күн мурун
Make this into fanfiction!! I'd love to read it
V_Rosie Galaxy
V_Rosie Galaxy 6 күн мурун
Ok woah! That sounds INCREDIBLE! LIKE.. I'd love to see that! Omggg
CallmeZ
CallmeZ 7 күн мурун
Yes please talk about miraculous more
GTGA 2004
GTGA 2004 7 күн мурун
I can't wait for Season 4. More about the other miraculouses.
Alyssa Levenberg
Alyssa Levenberg 7 күн мурун
Also freaking Uncanny just explains why no one can see who Ladybug and Cat Noir are by just saying that their suits' quantum masking blocks people from seeing their identities. Like, you just gonna drop that on us?
Micahtiel
Micahtiel 2 күн мурун
I did some research, though, and it really made me appreciate their explanation. Quantum masking is a real and actually NEW thing (which might explain why it took so long for them to confirm) that is used to hide information. A physics article says this: "Information is typically stored in physical systems, such as memory devices. But in a new study, physicists have investigated an alternative way to store and hide information, which is by storing it only in the quantum correlations among two or more systems, rather than in the systems themselves." Now, note this next part: "This idea, which is called "masking," is *A WAY OF MAKING THE INFORMATION INACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE, WITHOUT DESTROYING IT (AS DESTROYING QUANTUM INFORMATION IS IMPOSSIBLE)."* It's a super cool concept if you think about it!!
CallmeZ
CallmeZ 7 күн мурун
People asked why everyone in the show couldn’t figure it out and they answered 🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️
Joshey Dubs
Joshey Dubs 7 күн мурун
0:41 as someone who lives in NYC it is nothing like it was potrayed in Miraculous, I'm also beginning to think the idea of French people romantocizing New York isn't entirely untrue...
Mariangel Alvarado Jiménez
Mariangel Alvarado Jiménez 7 күн мурун
I don’t quite remember if Thomas or someone else said it, but it was stated that they had to cut part of the special and that plot lines like Ms. Mendeleiev’s
Hari de Yolo
Hari de Yolo 7 күн мурун
Did anyone else notice the actual identity of night owl and that Karen super woman(I dunno) are actual LGBTQ+ nice representation of the end of the slecial
sHe'S jUsT a fRiEnd
sHe'S jUsT a fRiEnd Күн мурун
Majestia *
Jon Brewer
Jon Brewer 5 күн мурун
Yeah, but Batman and Superman are kind of a couple taking their adopted son to (the park, the ball game, other wholesome activities) in World's Finest? Wildstorm even made their Batman and Superman really gay. Then DC bought Wildstorm, Flashpoint happened, Grayson made a point of these two having over the top sexual tension with the original Robin (and conveniently the Titans don't exist, Speedy's a burnout mercenary, Garth hates surface dwellers with a passion, Wally West was erased from existence by -his idiot uncle- -the naked blue guy- the mother of the multiverse. Slade Wilson and his son have never met Dick.
Zero
Zero 5 күн мурун
not the first time they had representation in this show. look in ladybug's class more carefully and you'll be able to find at least one gay couple and one lesbian couple. they just pulled that at the end so those who watch the special new to this world aren't bombarded by it right off the bat. putting it at the end was the better route for the new people to the series.
selwyn kier calaguian
selwyn kier calaguian 7 күн мурун
The New York Special was MIRACULOUS
Raul Gonzalez
Raul Gonzalez 7 күн мурун
That is such lazy writing is not ever a connect universe with Marvel at least trying to get noticed it's kind of Badly.
Xaveir Combs
Xaveir Combs 7 күн мурун
Miracles ladybug has been on downward spiral since the end of season 2
SkyDragonSlayer
SkyDragonSlayer 7 күн мурун
The part about "it's one of those shows you think isn't gonna be good because of the premise" is the opposite for me. I expected it to be good,the premise was cool but the writing just atrocious. I wish the writing for the show was better,cause with this premise it could be great. I like the show and most of the characters, I just wish the writing was better than this.
KaiSatori
KaiSatori 5 күн мурун
Definitely. I really liked the premise, the lore, the scenery, but goodness does thomas like to flip coins about whether he’s gonna be self-proclaimed feminist or totally hate on a possibly great character arc of a female character being wronged during her childhood (chloe)
Blue Diamond
Blue Diamond 7 күн мурун
*FINALLY! A MIRACULOUS VIDEO FROM ROUNDTABLE! IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS*
King Valcin
King Valcin 7 күн мурун
Wait hold up in the movie the robot girl found out Marinette and Adrian‘s identities through their costumes on then why didn’t the robot just tell them hawk mouth’s identity
lily dragonhart
lily dragonhart 7 күн мурун
She didn't meet Gabriel Agreste nor Hawkmoth in person. So there wouldn't be a reason for her to suddenly know that information.
Frank Axe
Frank Axe 7 күн мурун
Man that movie was super good get it but had not plot relevance
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